The next RNC Chairman should...

embrace science

I want us to become the party of science again: embrace evolution, stem cell research, genetics, space exploration. the future.

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      • jaspianjaspian commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Danielbrophy -

        I don't know what you're reading about stem cell research, but the UNFORTUNATE truth is that embryonic stem cells are far more likely to yield results than adult stem cells. The general rule is that a cell can become any other type of lower-order cell, which is how stem cells work at healing otherwise-permanent injuries, because they're at the top. But embryonic stem cells are higher order than adult stem cells... after all - at some point all adult stem cells WERE embryonic stem cells. However, the trend is one-way - adult stem cells cannot become embryonic stem cells, therefore, any cell structures, nerve bundles, and organs that develop in-utero and do not heal may not be fixable by adult stem cells, but all of them can theoretically be fixable by embryonic stem cells. This is why stem cell research started embryonic, and only started to look into adult when the backlash started from the moral implications.

        Please correct notify the source of your information that they are incorrect. People can't make proper decisions if they have bad information. Even if that information is against your moral principles, lies to further our goals is worse. It's much better that we tell the truth and trust people to make the proper decisions on their own... trust in democratic values.

      • gaol orientedgaol oriented commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Hrrmm, yes, why don't we leave space exploration to the free market? I bet we would be mining asteroids by now if NASA had been privatized 20 years ago. Investors love to back ventures with ROI times of >300 years.

      • gaol orientedgaol oriented commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        No evidence for evolution? What do you need, a video tape? The biology underlying evolution is sound and mostly falsifiable, but deductions about the actual historical process will never be strictly falsifiable. Lots of science isn't, but it's still better than just making stuff up. There are theoretical models to explain chromosome count changes, by the way.

      • danielbrophydanielbrophy commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Why should the republican party embrace LIES about science? Evolution is an atheist lie for which there is no evidence. Adult stem cell research has shown itself to be a life saver, but there is no evidence whatsoever that embryonic stem cell research is useful in the least. I'm all for space exploration, but I oppose the use of tax dollars to fund it.

      • gaol orientedgaol oriented commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The arms of science are cold and steely. Science gives bad hugs, uncomfortable impersonal hugs. I feel scared, I want my daddy's arms instead. Where are you? Is that you? Yes, oh it is, hug me hug me!! No, it can't be! Science has turned my daddy into a ROBOT! OH Science, give him back!! BLEEP BLOOP BLEEP BLOOP that's all I hear. Everything is made of metal and I am so alone.

      • frickerfricker commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        all I know is that I get REAL thirsty when I am starving a brain-dead patient to death in the name of mercy (like Schiavo), and nothing spells refreshment like government funded USDA Democrat party approved fetal stem cells and a fresh abortion smoothie! Yum, yum! (schlurpblprp!)
        Now, some of you religious nutbags will tell me that it is wrong to do that, well SKREW YOU!
        YAY ABORTIA-SMOOTHIES!!

      • AaronAaron commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        "This is the most important thing. You have the Dems on the free market, but it doesn't matter, as it will still always be a LESSER market unless we have the tech. advantage over the world."

        Refusing gov't funding for stem cell research is part of the free market. There are plenty of private funds.

      • justjoejustjoe commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        tom-tom,
        Don't fall for that "hijacked" BS. It's called having principles! You obviously didn't even read my post below yours, or maybe you don't believe it. But it's true. And I didn't get my info from some website, I got it from one of the leading stem-cell researchers and treatment specialists in the country, literally straight from his mouth! If FSC held promise, it would be privately funded.

      • EastCoastEliteEastCoastElite commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Embrace science, and learn how things work, generally. All the politicians hit the road with their slogans and catch phrases about small government and the like, but eventually, they lose track of their principles because they don't understand them themselves. I understand that sound bites need to be quick, but the politicians understanding of them needs to be deeper.

      • ExScienceExScience commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Ah, jeez, where to start here!

        Evolutionary theory has been hijacked by empiricists who fail to see the magnitude of their inability to materially account for the wonder and compleixity of life, stem cell research and genetics research alike have ground to a halt due to our inability to recognize the methodical divine intelligence indelibly imprinted on our composite cells and molecular code.

      • tom-tomtom-tom commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        This is the most important thing. You have the Dems on the free market, but it doesn't matter, as it will still always be a LESSER market unless we have the tech. advantage over the world. Every problem in the Republican Party comes back to the contradiction: You are supposed to be the party of freedoms, but you've given some of that up for popularity with the Rel. Right. The party left me.

      • justjoejustjoe commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        ... have only begun to scratch the surface on what can be done with ADULT stem cells. We don't need another excuse to create and destroy human fetuses. Also, not one "cure" has even come close to arising from the research of FETAL stem cells, despite all the hype. ALSO, there is no ban on PRIVATELY FUNDED research, just on federal funding. If it's truly worhwhile, it will be funded privately.

      • justjoejustjoe commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Just for those posters here who don't understand, the problem the right has with "stem cells" is with FETAL stem cells. I'm a beneficiary of stem-cell treatment, and no fetuses were used or harmed in the process. MY OWN stem cells were used, but another VOLUNTARY donor's stem cells could have been used if necessary.
        And I agree with the ban on FETAL stem-cell research. Use what we have now. We...

      • sjt4sjt4 commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Pure science is peer reviewed in an open and transparent process. This form of science is the most effective and should be supported privately and publically. Also, enough with the orbiting the earth stuff. I want to watch drive-in movies on the moon with the earth as a backdrop. Interplanetary, solar and deep space exploration can't happen until we unleash the nerds. Fund the nerds now, not NASA!

      • frickerfricker commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        ...bullying that makes me, a literal creationist, emboldened to say that their evolutionary models are also less tested and more political, as is their hyper environMENTALism.
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        But again, don't you remember, we live in a post-modern age, where you mustn't have absolutes? you really must read some Derrida and get in touch with the times.
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        Absolute truths arent the way, MYSTERY is where its at

      • frickerfricker commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I can use science (specifically natural selection) to argue strongly the benefits of murder. So again, what are the tangible benefits when compared to the moral fiber, given by FAITH from RELIGION, to hold and use this power wisely?
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        Where science gets into trouble is making statements it has no business making, like saying the science is "settled" in Global Warming. This type of conspiracy...

      • frickerfricker commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Science cannot provide a moral compass to people who are given its power. Faith is the only and ultimate source for that morality. This is the wisdom of our founding fauthers when they said the all men were "endowed by their CREATOR" with unalienable rights.... Not philosophy, not government, not science, not the poets, not the ruling nobles, not the intelligentsia...
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        All these are capricious.

      • frickerfricker commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Use science to prove murder is immoral.
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        You say "Science benefits mankind in more tangible ways" and I say that is inadequate and incomplete.
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        What good is it giving someone a car, scientifically designed to run efficiently and inexpensively, if they run black people over with it on purpose? When it stops, they coldly go ask science for more. Where's the moral compass for this individual?

      • frickerfricker commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        As for your postulation, "Science benefits mankind in more tangible ways," would that be the cloning of animals and humans in Europe, abortion, or gender mutilation? Er, sorry, I mean "sex-change" operations (laughable, since it merely masks the genetic sex given by God to that person, who must forever take hormones artificially to pose as the opposite sex, but I digest...)?

      • frickerfricker commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        dem
        You see, ALL these professions have begun theological teaching, on how to interpret the Bible (they tried to toss is out altogether at first, of course, but the knuckle dragging fundies wouldn't let go of it, so they had to soften it up a bit with non-literal interpretations).
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        So it is in this great spirit of cooperation that I can say with authority that science is NOT to be literal.

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